Ovid

Wasnaa Adnan

Dave Whitson

Humanities 9R

Ovid he was very sad about Toussain because he was talking about him and how he looks when he died ,his torch is quenched look how he goes,they are very sad about Toussain and the gods son died Ovid friend (Tibullus) died their depression it was the same, towards the end because the son is in the underworld when the mother dies she will see him again making her pain now weaken.

Ovid's Elegy for Tibullus analysis

Michelle Satterfield

2/11/10

Out of the three Elegy types, Ovid’s Elegy for Tibullus was a poem which went from a sad beginning, to a miserable end.  Through the elegy, Ovid progressively makes the poem more tragic.  Ovid relates the grief he feels of Tibullus’ death to that of the Gods.  “No less was Venus stunned by her Tibullus’ death,” (15) with this statement, Ovid is trying to say that Venus was just as sad when her own son Aeneus died, as the town is that their great poet, Tibullus dies.  The last lines of the poem truly reveal why it is that the poem’s layout went from sad to tragic.  “Here as you fled life, your mother closed your streaming eyes, and brought her last gifts to your ashes.  Here your sister joined your mother in her grief.” (49) There is no closure in this reference whatsoever.  Ovid is saying that after a man dies, Tibullus in this case, their mother is left to close their crying eyes, and to grieve over their dead body.  Ovid flat-out says that Tibullus’ sister, and mother were grieving, and when closure is reached, this is usually not the case.

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While reading the elegy of Ovid i came across that the reading was the 3rd elegy, grief to more grief. Some examples of my conclusion of the reading are, In the beginning he starts out saying, " If Memmons mother, Achilles mother mourned and our sad fates can touch great goddesses"."2" " No less was Venus stunned by her Tibullus death, than when the fierce boar smote her lovers thigh."37" " Respect the gods. Grim death will drag you from their altars to your grave". 40" May your bones find repose within their sheltering urn, and may earth lie heavy on you ashes".67 These are my examples through the excerpt and even reading more and more I think it is grief to more grief.

Elegy For Tibullus

In my opinion, this elegy falls under the category of grief to consolation. In my opinion this discusses the grief of the gods to the grief of mortals. "This could also relate to exaggerations as if the gods were saddened by the death of Tibullus or any other mortal," (D Whit). I believe the bulk of this elegy goes into great detail about the woe. However, it seems as if the elegy ends with consolation because the last four lines read as so, "These shades will be your comrades, if any shades there are: you have joined the blessed, elegant Tibullus. May your bones find repose within their sheltering urn, and may earth not lie heavy on your ashes," (Ovid 65-68).

The Height of Rome On the Quirinal hill, was one of the big turning point in Rome, on the Quirinal hill. Some effects happened. In 446 BC a temple was built on the Quirinal hill, “that was dedicated to a ruler that was very powerful and loyal named Sancus.” “Wikipedia” In 307 BC another temple was built, “ dedicated to Esculapius, the daughter of Sancus.” “ Wikipedia”. During that time tombs had been discovered all around the 7 hills including Quirinal hill. “Quirinus was found in the hill and then was formed into a temple, after his wonderful battles of Samnite.

Caelian Hill - today

Michelle Satterfield

The Caelian Hill, also called the Monte Celio, has two levels, with arches through.  It remains in tact, and overall in good shape.  The top level is much smaller than the bottom.  The 1st level is in more of a square shape, and the 2nd is based on more circular shapes.  There is currently a church built on the Caelian Hill.  The church is called the SS Giovanni e Paolo, and makes the hill based on more religious purposes than it ever was before.  The inside of the San Giovanni is quite artistic, and spacious. The ceiling is lined with sculptures of christ, lions, and several religious identities.  There are several paintings of christ, and some Christian Saints.  The main color scheme is either brown or tan, with green splotches through.  There are several glass chandeliers on the walls of the church, in between the arches.  The building has tall ceilings, and is very wide.  Surrounding the Caelian Hill is the arch named “Porta Maggiore.”  It now goes over one of Rome’s traffic intersections, and is very well preserved.  On the outside of the walls of the arch is a “mysterious” tomb named “The Tomb of the Baker.”  Covering the tomb are sculpted ovens, and bakers instructions.

The Height of Rome On the Quirinal hill. Trojans column was done getting built 113 A.D close by the Quirinal hill. Domitian made the new altar on the Quirinal hill. After the war with the Trojans they engraved scenes of the war on the hill. A temple was honored to Esculapius the kings daughter on the Quirinal hill.

On the Quirinal hill. Trojans column was done getting built 113 A.D close by the Quirinal hill. Domitian established the new altar on the Quirinal hill. After the war with the Trojans they engraved scenes of the war on the hill.

The Founding of the Palatine Hill

At the birth of the city of Rome, The Palatine Hill was famous because it was the hill where the two twins of legend, Romulus and Remus were nursed by the she-wolf. This also the same hill where supposedly, Romulus began to build the great city. Finally, it was said that Hercules defeated Cacus in a cave around this site. Archaeologists have also found, "Walled villages and tombs have been found here, and the people who lived in those villages seemed to be dominant to their contemporaries since the 700s BCE," (MusesRealm.net, Seven Hills). Evidence shows that the Palatine hill served as the heart of the entire city of Rome later on during the height of the empire. "It would later go on to be surrounded by famous Roman buildings such as The Forum, Circus Maximus, and the Colosseum," (Author unavailable, A View on Cities, Palatine Hill, Rome). Also, probably for its cultural significance, many houses were built on top of the hill as well as palaces for the rich.

Citations: 1. http://www.musesrealm.net/rome/sevenhills.html
2. http://www.aviewoncities.com/rome/palatinehill.htm

The Founding of the Paletine Hill

Palatine Hill

At the birth of the Rome, the Palatine hill was famous for it was the place where Romulus and Remus were nursed by the she-wolf. It was also the place where Romulus began to build Rome and where Hercules and Cacus fought. At the height of the Roman Empire, the Palatine empire was famous for being the hill where the Colosseum, Circus Maximus, and the Forum were built. Many houses were also built on the Palatine Hill. This might have been for the richer citizens.

Continuation of question 1.
It also appears that Hercules is portrayed even more as a hero in Vergil's and Ovid's than in Livy's.

2. Vergil's account and Ovid's account are easier to compare because they go into greater detail about the actual occurence. Livy did not go into much more detail because he believed the actual battle was much more quick. Or perhaps, maybe he was trying to make a point that Hercules did not act heroically in this chapter of his legacy. Livy's story makes me think that Hercules killed Cacas in cold blood. In the other two, Hercules acted heroically by killing a monster, not a shepherd like Livy says.

Vergil comes across something that no other person, passage on king Evander, " No idle superstition, or ignorance of the ancient god, forced these solemn rites of ours this ritual banquet this altar to so great divinity upon us. The other two people never talk about it.
Vergil comes across another thing that Livey and ovid talk little detail about, " there was a cave here, receding vast depths untouched by the suns rays inhabited by the fell shape of cacus. Livey and ovid just say that he went into a cave they didn't go into detail about it.
Livy is the only one that goes into Romulus and Remus and he said, " Remus is said to have been the first to receive an omen: Six vultures appeared to him. The augury had just been announced to Romulus when double the number appeared to him."

2. Vergil comes across that Cacus went through the vast cave,

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Vergil comes across something that no other person, passage on king Evander, " No idle superstition, or ignorance of the ancient god, forced these solemn rites of ours this ritual banquet this altar to so great divinity upon us. The other two people never talk about it.
Vergil comes across another thing that Livey and ovid talk little detail about, " there was a cave here, receding vast depths untouched by the suns rays inhabited by the fell shape of cacus. Livey and ovid just say that he went into a cave they didn't go into detail about it.
Livy is the only one that goes into Romulus and Remus and he said, " Remus is said to have been the first to receive an omen: Six vultures appeared to him. The augury had just been announced to Romulus when double the number appeared to him."

for the first one it changes my idea in the story because Vergil is the only one that talks about King Evander and it seems the other ones dont care what he has to say about him. what King Evander

The Three Perspectives of Hercules and Cacus

1. One thing that I noticed about Livy's portrayal is that he was the only writer that mentioned Romulus and Remus in his story. I found that interesting. I also realized that Livy talks about the statue of Hercules and that then leads into the story and both Vergil's and Ovid's almost drop you into the story right away. In Livy's story, Cacus is also portrayed more as a shepherd than a monster. Livy's story is also a lot shorter and doesn't go in further detail. Another thing I noticed was in Livy's portrayal and Ovid's portrayal Cacus was killed by a swing or two from a club. However, in Virgil's account Hercules killed Cacus by choking him. In Livy's account it also seems as if Cacus was not such a monster and as I already stated he was a shepherd. I believe Vergil makes cacus look more like a monster when he talks about the blood-stained cave as well as severed human heads nailed to certain doors in the cave. In fact, gruesome detail is used in both Ovid's and Vergil's stories. Perhaps this is what made them more memorable and this is one of the tools the Greeks used for the process of oral tradition.